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From: Rusty Nail <rustynail_snr@...>
Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: [BugHLG] Digest Number 405
3mm tubing is for the HLG version. Much to flexible for high launches on a DLG where a stiff airframe is a must.to limiy tail wag. Maybe try a GForce skinny UL if weight is a consideration and with a tapered tube you can choose the thin end. Putting all gear in the nose should balance it out ok with non covered light balsa tails ________________________________ From: "BugHLG@yahoogroups.com" <BugHLG@yahoogroups.com> To: BugHLG@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, 25 March 2012 9:33 PM Subject: [BugHLG] Digest Number 405 Bug Hand Launch Glider Bug Hand Launch Glider Messages In This Digest (3 Messages) 1. shipping costs for the short kit From: Janhein 2a. Re: Carbon Booms - Goodwinds From: maxddnj 3a. Re: Cut Ribs and Parts From: janhein Ramakers View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages 1. shipping costs for the short kit Posted by: "Janhein" ramakers@cavemanrocketry.com   janheinr Sat Mar 24, 2012 5:15 am (PDT) Hello Group The first short kits are ready for transport. And all the parts fit in a small box that can be shipped as an enveloppe. Two kits can be shipped in one package. Price for the short kit is still 10 euro's shipping is an aditional 5.70 euro's. I can also ship the kits doubble boxed and with a lot of packaging but then the shipping will be 18 euro's. and up to 10 kits can be shipped in one package. if you like to get one of the short kits pls make a payment with paypal to Ramakers@cavemanroc ketry.com and include you name and correct shipping info .I will put on the box the same addres as I reveive so dont blame me for your mistypes pls ;-) Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (1) 2a. Re: Carbon Booms - Goodwinds Posted by: "maxddnj" maxdd76@...   maxddnj Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:38 pm (PDT) Hi Guys, I'm confused by the recommendations for SkyShark P90 and P100. Here are some weight comparisons of P90/P100 to standard recommended 1/8" pultruded CF tube. All the same lengths and all sold by Goodwinds: SkyShark II P90: length 32.5, OD 0.275", weight 10.5g SkyShark II P100: length 32.5, OD 0.280", weight 13g Pultruded Light wall: length 32.5, OD 0.125", weight 6.3g Pultruded Strong wall: length 32.5, OD 0.125", weight 7.2g I actually ordered a few of the P90 and P100's, they arrived today and look amazing but will I be able to use them in a Bug? They almost double the weight of the recommended boom and spars. Will today's lighter electronics make up for this or is this going to smash my Bug to splinters on maiden launch? I haven't started building yet so I could always save these for future projects and stick to recommended sizes and just go pultruded 1/8". Are you guys actually using P90 and P100's in Bugs or other larger kits? Thanks, Max --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups. com, Tim Schuh <tim@...> wrote: > > On 3/21/2012 2:31 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > > > Make sure you are watching your weights with "retail" CF parts. The OD's may match, but the wall thickness is what kills you. > > > > The final version of the Little Nipper (Swyft 2) uses a wrapped spar and is really stiff. I opted to go this route to fight the flex you get in a pultruded spar. This flex takes a lot of height out of your launch as the wings oscillate up and down after release. The arc can be pretty dramatic. > > > > Same goes for the boom. The whipping oscillation deprives you of launch height as the tail wags back and forth. > > > > Carl designed this plane for a javelin launch with no torsion to the boom. Wing flex was also just a given in those early days. > > > > The LB will work with any combination of CF parts, just watch your weight. As they say - "Ounces are made up of grams." > > > > Stay light! > > > > Chris in Seattle > > > > I can vouch for the P100 fitting into the new AG37 wing, so don't be afraid to try it. > > > I agree with Chris. I've used P90 and P100 tubes on my 1.2m and 1.5m > woodie DLG experiments without any issues at all. In fact I used a P100 > on a 2M woodie floater pod and boom with good results. There's plenty > of stiffness and much lightness. For a quick, very informal comparison > here's what I have on hand and within reach. I got all the CF tubes on > sale and I don't think I paid more than a few dollars for any of them. > I know I got a mess of them for less than $20 shipped to my door in Texas. > > All tubes are 36" long. > > Generic fiberglass pushrod tube (I think from a Dave Brown pushrod kit) > OD: 0.300 > ID: 0.241 > W: 22g > > SkyShark II (no other markings and I don't remember) CF tube: > OD: 0.387 > ID 0.345 > W: 17g > > P90 tube: > OD 0.280 > ID .0240 > W:11g > > P100 tube: > OD: 0.285 > ID: 0.240 > W: 13g > Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (20) 3a. Re: Cut Ribs and Parts Posted by: "janhein Ramakers" ramakers@...   janheinr Sun Mar 25, 2012 1:33 am (PDT) Hello Charles The kits are ready for transport, and can be shipped tot the USA. price for the kits is 10 euro's shipping is 5.70 euro's and i can put two kits in one box. If you like to get one pls make a payment wit paypal to Ramakers@cavemanroc ketry.com. greetings Jan-Hein Ramakers On 3/18/2012 6:40 AM, laser100 wrote: > > Would you be able to ship to USA? > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups. com <mailto:BugHLG% 40yahoogroups. com>, > janhein Ramakers <ramakers@.. .> wrote: > > > > Hello charles pls send me your complete adress and i will put you on > the > > list for a kit. > > > > greetings janhein > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (15) Recent Activity *  3 New Members *  2 New Photos *  1 New LinksVisit Your Group Sitebuilder Build a web site quickly & easily with Sitebuilder.<img width="1" height="1" alt="" src="http://us.bc.yahoo.com/b?P=8517c2a8-765d-11e1-ba64-230d91d12ec1&T=1dl9cl6l3%2fX%3d1332667983%2fE%3d1705370808%2fR%3dgroups%2fK%3d5%2fV%3d2.1%2fW%3dH%2fY%3dYAHOO%2fF%3d2177045704%2fH%3dY29udGVudD0iR287V2lkZ2V0cztHZW9jaXRpZXM7TG90dGVyeTtTbWFsbF9CdXNpbmVzcztXZWF0aGVyO0ZpbmFuY2U7WWFob29fT25saW5lX1Byb3RlY3Rpb247QXVjdGlvbnM7TWVzc2FnZV9Cb2FyZHM7IiBkaXNhYmxlc2h1ZmZsaW5nPSIxIiBzZXJ2ZUlkPSI4NTE3YzJhOC03NjVkLTExZTEtYmE2NC0yMzBkOTFkMTJlYzEiIHNpdGVJZD0iNDQ1MjU1MSIgdFN0bXA9IjEzMzI2Njc5ODM0NzkxODMiIA--%2fQ%3d-1%2fS%3d1%2fJ%3d9C238962&U=1390l01ab%2fN%3dR0epAkoGYqQ-%2fC%3d493064.14543952.14365456.8674578%2fD%3dNC%2fB%3d4025304%2fV%3d1"> Yahoo! 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