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On 3/8/2011 2:22 PM, Lee wrote: > > Hi Paul > Two areas to consider, both having to do with when the plane was designed, > and subsequent advances in launching technique and radio gear. > > As mentioned earlier, extend the wing spar into the tip. The tip will not > stand up to any kind of SAL launching, which will give you much greater > hight than a javelin toss, and is much easier on the arm. Maybe include a > pin or blade next to the last rib for launching. > > The fuse is very fragile. Either use 3/32" wood, or light glass (3/4 > oz) or > both. The bug was designed around the Hitec HS-50 servos, 555 receiver > and a > 3x50ma nicad battery. That is (was) about 48g (1.7oz) in radio gear. > Therefore, the fuse had to be built short, and as light as possible to > properly balance the plane without adding tail weight... You do build your > tail feathers as light as possible, right? My current micro system of > choice > is a Castle Creations Berg 4L receiver, Dymond D47 servos and a 2x120 mah > LiPo battery. This gives an all up weight of 13.4g (0.5oz). (Blade mCX > Heli > batteries are cheap and easy to get) This is the only (good) combination > that I know of that will run on 2 LiPos without a regulator. > This also allows for a stouter fuse. Better added strength in the > nose, than > added lead to balance. You also might (should) lengthen the nose a bit to > help with the balance with this light of a radio. Maybe as much as an inch > (or more) if you keep you tail light. > > With this radio, a 3oz Bug is easily obtainable. Just keep your tail > light, > and don't waist all the weight savings with lead. My current Bug is rocket > launched and weighs ~90g with a spent rocket motor casing on board.... > > HTH > > Lee > > *Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists > elsewhere in > the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.* > -*Bill Watterson* > > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Paul LaChance <plachance@... > <mailto:plachance%40cox.net>> wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > I am about to cut out the parts to make up 4 Bugs. Before I start, what > > are the weak points that need improvement or places that need to be > > strengthened? It is easy to tweak it now before I start building than > > after. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Paul > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Home Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BugHLG/ > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > Lee, When you say you are using two mCX Heli batteries. Are you using them in parallel for 3.7v or are they in series for 7.4v? From what I read it looks like you are using them in series. Just verifying. :-\ Stan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Zoman: Read the construction article and try to figure out which tools that you already have that can be used. The big difference foam is that you need a building board. That can be a piece of "Celotex" ceiling tile or similar, but it is better to secure the Celotex to a very flat piece of wood/plywood with tape. At least a 6"x24" surface is needed and 1'x2' would be better. You will need pins (preferably "T" pins) and pin clamps. You need a utility knife and single edge razor blades, but an Exacto knife and #11 blades would be a big help. You will need various sanding materials, which you probably already have. A saw to cut the CF boom is needed. It can be a very fine tooth hacksaw blade if you first wrap the CF with masking tape. (CA the cut surface to avoid splinters.) Use the saw blade free, not in the frame. Do not apply much pressure to the saw. You will need a set of twist drills, say 1/16" to 1/4" by 64ths, or a comparable metric set. You will need rubber bands to apply clamping force but a set of clamps would be a big help. Cloths pins can be use in some cases. The biggie last, you need an iron to apply the covering. Thermals, Ken in Carmichael --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, Zo <zoman2222@...> wrote: > > Thank you both for the information. I have few tools but I've been working with foam to this point. I purchased the plans for Bug because of it size and the way it has been report to fly very fell also. > > Which tool do you recommend as a may have for this kind of build.(206) 368-6100 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Tim Schuh <tim@...> wrote: > > > On 3/6/2011 9:13 PM, mrmarvinmccoy wrote: > > > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy"<onehappybigguy@> wrote: > > >> How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? > > >> > > > > > > > > > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > As Marvin implied the answer is often "it depends." If you have all the > > tools and you take your time you could probably cut all the parts in one > > evening. You could easily assemble the wing the next evening and build > > the pod the following night. This assuming you have a night time > > routine that involves putting a spouse or kids to bed before starting > > work. If you don't have any distractions and don't have to go to the > > hobby shop for something you forgot I would think you could easily knock > > one out from start to finish in one solid non-work day, assuming you are > > largely using CA for glue. I tend to build mostly with carpenters glue > > (water soluble, easy clean up, non-toxic, very strong but flexible) for > > a majority of my builds so I have to glue a set of parts then wait a > > minimum of three hours before beginning again. Doing it that way a 2M > > ship takes me about two weeks worth of weeknights and one weekend day > > but I don't always get to work on my models so the real calendar time is > > closer to two months. Still, I would say one solid day should net you a > > small, simple glider like the Bug. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

Responding to your question about which tools. I am one of those that believes you can not have enough tools. I have about every tool ever made and two of some. The bare minimum would be some kind of exacto knife, some way to drill accurate holes, a covering iron, and some sand paper, razer blades and some pins to hold things down on your building table. Thanks Marvin --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, Zo <zoman2222@...> wrote: > > Thank you both for the information. I have few tools but I've been working with foam to this point. I purchased the plans for Bug because of it size and the way it has been report to fly very fell also. > > Which tool do you recommend as a may have for this kind of build.(206) 368-6100 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Tim Schuh <tim@...> wrote: > > > On 3/6/2011 9:13 PM, mrmarvinmccoy wrote: > > > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy"<onehappybigguy@> wrote: > > >> How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? > > >> > > > > > > > > > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. > > > > > > Marvin > > > > > > > As Marvin implied the answer is often "it depends." If you have all the > > tools and you take your time you could probably cut all the parts in one > > evening. You could easily assemble the wing the next evening and build > > the pod the following night. This assuming you have a night time > > routine that involves putting a spouse or kids to bed before starting > > work. If you don't have any distractions and don't have to go to the > > hobby shop for something you forgot I would think you could easily knock > > one out from start to finish in one solid non-work day, assuming you are > > largely using CA for glue. I tend to build mostly with carpenters glue > > (water soluble, easy clean up, non-toxic, very strong but flexible) for > > a majority of my builds so I have to glue a set of parts then wait a > > minimum of three hours before beginning again. Doing it that way a 2M > > ship takes me about two weeks worth of weeknights and one weekend day > > but I don't always get to work on my models so the real calendar time is > > closer to two months. Still, I would say one solid day should net you a > > small, simple glider like the Bug. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

I would love to see pics or videos of your rocket launched Bug. Thanks for the heads up on the weaknesses of the Bug. Paul Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Lee Teicheira <leet1@...> Sender: BugHLG@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:22:58 To: <BugHLG@yahoogroups.com> Reply-To: BugHLG@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BugHLG] Weak points Hi Paul Two areas to consider, both having to do with when the plane was designed, and subsequent advances in launching technique and radio gear. As mentioned earlier, extend the wing spar into the tip. The tip will not stand up to any kind of SAL launching, which will give you much greater hight than a javelin toss, and is much easier on the arm. Maybe include a pin or blade next to the last rib for launching. The fuse is very fragile. Either use 3/32" wood, or light glass (3/4 oz) or both. The bug was designed around the Hitec HS-50 servos, 555 receiver and a 3x50ma nicad battery. That is (was) about 48g (1.7oz) in radio gear. Therefore, the fuse had to be built short, and as light as possible to properly balance the plane without adding tail weight... You do build your tail feathers as light as possible, right? My current micro system of choice is a Castle Creations Berg 4L receiver, Dymond D47 servos and a 2x120 mah LiPo battery. This gives an all up weight of 13.4g (0.5oz). (Blade mCX Heli batteries are cheap and easy to get) This is the only (good) combination that I know of that will run on 2 LiPos without a regulator. This also allows for a stouter fuse. Better added strength in the nose, than added lead to balance. You also might (should) lengthen the nose a bit to help with the balance with this light of a radio. Maybe as much as an inch (or more) if you keep you tail light. With this radio, a 3oz Bug is easily obtainable. Just keep your tail light, and don't waist all the weight savings with lead. My current Bug is rocket launched and weighs ~90g with a spent rocket motor casing on board.... HTH Lee *Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.* -*Bill Watterson* On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Paul LaChance <plachance@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am about to cut out the parts to make up 4 Bugs. Before I start, what > are the weak points that need improvement or places that need to be > strengthened? It is easy to tweak it now before I start building than > after. > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Home Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BugHLG/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Please do not call the phone number below it is not mine it a Dr office, not sure how that got on here --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Zo <zoman2222@...> wrote: From: Zo <zoman2222@...> Subject: Re: [BugHLG] Re: Build time To: "BugHLG@yahoogroups.com" <BugHLG@yahoogroups.com> Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 7:29 AM   Thank you both for the information. I have few tools but I've been working with foam to this point. I purchased the plans for Bug because of it size and the way it has been report to fly very fell also. Which tool do you recommend as a may have for this kind of buildSent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Tim Schuh <tim@poweredbythe.net> wrote: > On 3/6/2011 9:13 PM, mrmarvinmccoy wrote: > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy"<onehappybigguy@...> wrote: > >> How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? > >> > > > > > > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. > > > > Marvin > > > > As Marvin implied the answer is often "it depends." If you have all the > tools and you take your time you could probably cut all the parts in one > evening. You could easily assemble the wing the next evening and build > the pod the following night. This assuming you have a night time > routine that involves putting a spouse or kids to bed before starting > work. If you don't have any distractions and don't have to go to the > hobby shop for something you forgot I would think you could easily knock > one out from start to finish in one solid non-work day, assuming you are > largely using CA for glue. I tend to build mostly with carpenters glue > (water soluble, easy clean up, non-toxic, very strong but flexible) for > a majority of my builds so I have to glue a set of parts then wait a > minimum of three hours before beginning again. Doing it that way a 2M > ship takes me about two weeks worth of weeknights and one weekend day > but I don't always get to work on my models so the real calendar time is > closer to two months. Still, I would say one solid day should net you a > small, simple glider like the Bug. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi Paul Two areas to consider, both having to do with when the plane was designed, and subsequent advances in launching technique and radio gear. As mentioned earlier, extend the wing spar into the tip. The tip will not stand up to any kind of SAL launching, which will give you much greater hight than a javelin toss, and is much easier on the arm. Maybe include a pin or blade next to the last rib for launching. The fuse is very fragile. Either use 3/32" wood, or light glass (3/4 oz) or both. The bug was designed around the Hitec HS-50 servos, 555 receiver and a 3x50ma nicad battery. That is (was) about 48g (1.7oz) in radio gear. Therefore, the fuse had to be built short, and as light as possible to properly balance the plane without adding tail weight... You do build your tail feathers as light as possible, right? My current micro system of choice is a Castle Creations Berg 4L receiver, Dymond D47 servos and a 2x120 mah LiPo battery. This gives an all up weight of 13.4g (0.5oz). (Blade mCX Heli batteries are cheap and easy to get) This is the only (good) combination that I know of that will run on 2 LiPos without a regulator. This also allows for a stouter fuse. Better added strength in the nose, than added lead to balance. You also might (should) lengthen the nose a bit to help with the balance with this light of a radio. Maybe as much as an inch (or more) if you keep you tail light. With this radio, a 3oz Bug is easily obtainable. Just keep your tail light, and don't waist all the weight savings with lead. My current Bug is rocket launched and weighs ~90g with a spent rocket motor casing on board.... HTH Lee *Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us.* -*Bill Watterson* On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Paul LaChance <plachance@...> wrote: > Hi all, > > I am about to cut out the parts to make up 4 Bugs. Before I start, what > are the weak points that need improvement or places that need to be > strengthened? It is easy to tweak it now before I start building than > after. > > Thanks in advance. > > Paul > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Home Page - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BugHLG/ > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, I am about to cut out the parts to make up 4 Bugs. Before I start, what are the weak points that need improvement or places that need to be strengthened? It is easy to tweak it now before I start building than after. Thanks in advance. Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thank you both for the information. I have few tools but I've been working with foam to this point. I purchased the plans for Bug because of it size and the way it has been report to fly very fell also. Which tool do you recommend as a may have for this kind of build.(206) 368-6100 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:44 PM, Tim Schuh <tim@...> wrote: > On 3/6/2011 9:13 PM, mrmarvinmccoy wrote: > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy"<onehappybigguy@...> wrote: > >> How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? > >> > > > > > > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. > > > > Marvin > > > > As Marvin implied the answer is often "it depends." If you have all the > tools and you take your time you could probably cut all the parts in one > evening. You could easily assemble the wing the next evening and build > the pod the following night. This assuming you have a night time > routine that involves putting a spouse or kids to bed before starting > work. If you don't have any distractions and don't have to go to the > hobby shop for something you forgot I would think you could easily knock > one out from start to finish in one solid non-work day, assuming you are > largely using CA for glue. I tend to build mostly with carpenters glue > (water soluble, easy clean up, non-toxic, very strong but flexible) for > a majority of my builds so I have to glue a set of parts then wait a > minimum of three hours before beginning again. Doing it that way a 2M > ship takes me about two weeks worth of weeknights and one weekend day > but I don't always get to work on my models so the real calendar time is > closer to two months. Still, I would say one solid day should net you a > small, simple glider like the Bug. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On 3/6/2011 9:13 PM, mrmarvinmccoy wrote: > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy"<onehappybigguy@...> wrote: >> How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? >> > > > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. > > Marvin > As Marvin implied the answer is often "it depends." If you have all the tools and you take your time you could probably cut all the parts in one evening. You could easily assemble the wing the next evening and build the pod the following night. This assuming you have a night time routine that involves putting a spouse or kids to bed before starting work. If you don't have any distractions and don't have to go to the hobby shop for something you forgot I would think you could easily knock one out from start to finish in one solid non-work day, assuming you are largely using CA for glue. I tend to build mostly with carpenters glue (water soluble, easy clean up, non-toxic, very strong but flexible) for a majority of my builds so I have to glue a set of parts then wait a minimum of three hours before beginning again. Doing it that way a 2M ship takes me about two weeks worth of weeknights and one weekend day but I don't always get to work on my models so the real calendar time is closer to two months. Still, I would say one solid day should net you a small, simple glider like the Bug.

--- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "onehappybigguy" <onehappybigguy@...> wrote: > > How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder? > That will depend on what tools you have. I think the Bug is one of the easiest gliders to build. It has fewer parts and the parts are smaller then most gliders. The plans are straight forward and easy to read. Plus there is some good information on this site about building it. If you have all of the materials and tools needed to cut, glue and cover you should be able to knock one of these out in a couple weekends. Marvin

How long to build a Bug, if you are a first time builder?