From: "John Gospodarek" <John.Gospodarek@...>
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Gyro for discus launching?
Date: Thursday, September 19, 2002 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: Gyro for discus launching?
Thanks for the input. Im not sure if I will build the cruciform this
time or not. I am working on a 2nd fuse but I have not had mush time.
I have used a 1/8th CF tube for the boom. The V-Tail may work better
than the cruciform on that size of boom. I have the V-Tail already
cut so I may have already have made the choice. Thanks again, and I'm
sure I will try the cruciform sometime.
--- In BugHLG@y..., "bob_chiang2" <rhc3@c...> wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> I thought about mounting the horizontal stabilizer with screws or
> something, but didn't on this one. The vertical stab is slotted to
> mount on the fuse boom closer to the centerline, the horizontal
stab
> is glued to the pylon, and the pylon glued to the boom.
>
> This was my first bug, and I built it with the cruciform tail. I
> haven't tried a v-tail bug. The v-tail might be lighter, but from
> what I've read, the cruciform is better for side arm launching:
less
> stress imposed on the fuse, and straighter launches.
>
> -BC
>
> --- In BugHLG@y..., "John Gospodarek" <John.Gospodarek@i...> wrote:
> > Bob, did you make your tail detachable? I can't tell from the
> > pictures. Do you like the new tail better than the V-tail? Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In BugHLG@y..., "bob_chiang2" <rhc3@c...> wrote:
> > > Hi Colin,
> > >
> > > I wish I could build with composits as you do. Your carbon Bug
is
> > > beautiful.
> > >
> > > The crashes were much easier to repair than I expected. When I
> > left
> > > the field after the Zagi collision, I half expected to build a
new
> > > wing. When I figured out what parts needed to be replaced it
> > wasn't
> > > so bad. It took one evening of cutting (and much pondering)
and
> > one
> > > morning of gluing. I have been very impressed with the
strength
> of
> > > the built-up ribs and the Bug wing.
> > >
> > > I did use your patterns for the tail. Thank you! All that I
> > changed
> > > was to increase the percentage of the movable areas. I don't
know
> > if
> > > I needed to, but I remember reading that deflecting a larger
area
> a
> > > smaller angle results in less drag. I put the horizontal stab
on
> a
> > > pylon so the control horn would be in line with the fuse boom
and
> I
> > > could run the pushrod within the boom. And I mounted the
vertical
> > fin
> > > as close to the centerline of the fuse boom as I could while
> > allowing
> > > room for the pushrods to exit the tube.
> > >
> > > With the cruciform tail it does launch straight with no
presets.
> > When
> > > you get your carbon Bug repaired, I'd suggest you try it
without
> > the
> > > gyro.
> > >
> > > Bob Chiang
> > > Ithaca, NY USA
> > >
> > > --- In BugHLG@y..., "Colin Bosch" <colin.bosch@m...> wrote:
> > > > Bob,
> > > >
> > > > Love your lace wing! Sorry to see your crash photos.
> > > >
> > > > The tail you used looks a lot like my carbon Bug. Did you
use
> > those
> > > > patterns? Did you change anything?
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious about your lauching be straight without a gyro.
Are
> > you
> > > > getting straight launches without any presets?
> > > >
> > > > --Colin--
> > > >
> > > > --- In BugHLG@y..., "bob_chiang2" <rhc3@c...> wrote:
> > > > > --- In BugHLG@y..., "Dan" <danstrider@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Everyone,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know that Colin used a gyro on his Bug for stability
> during
> > > > > > launch. I was wondering what gyros, if any, you all are
> > using
> > > > and
> > > > > > their weights.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Colin, I'm curious to see if a gyro is worth the weight
for
> > the
> > > > Bug
> > > > > -
> > > > > > - is launch performace really affected by the gyro?
Might
> it
> > be
> > > > > > possible to manage without the gyro? My control rod
setups
> > are
> > > > > > never rigid enough to get rid of slop, so do you think
that
> a
> > > > gyro
> > > > > > would even matter is this case?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never flown with a gyro, so I don't know what they are
> > > capable
> > > > > of. With a cruciform tail, my Lacewing Bug side arm
launches
> > very
> > > > > straight. Sometimes it would go up too steeply, and
sometimes
> > at
> > > > too
> > > > > shallow an angle (due to my launch inconsitencies), but I
> > cannot
> > > > > remember a launch that didn't go straight out. I can't
> comment
> > on
> > > > > launching or flying a v-tail.
> > > > >
> > > > > When I was flying a Little Nipper, I did get launches that
> > tended
> > > > to
> > > > > curve. I used a slight amount of right rudder trim to
launch,
> > > > > corrected with the stick as it slowed down, and then
retrimmed
> > > when
> > > > I
> > > > > had time during the flight.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Bob Chiang
> > > > > Ithaca, NY USA