From: "John Gospodarek" <John.Gospodarek@...>
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Help with rib production?
Date: Thursday, May 29, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Help with rib production?
Chris,
That is very similar to what I do, but if you add an extra third rib
don't you have to adjust the spar holes? I would also like to know
how to make a pod mold like you have. Did you make it in two halves
and glue it together? I have the material now (no thanks to some all
talk people on this group that were going to send all kinds of
things for free --- I insisted on paying but I never heard from them
after that). Anyway, I am stumped in making the mold. Any help would
be appreciated.
John
--- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lewis" <christopherlewis@e...>
wrote:
> Henry - Are you building from the full size plans? Is so, there's
a
> dihedral gauge that I copied and pasted to a scrap of balsa to get
my
> R1 angle correct. I always install this rib last and make sure the
> angle is just right.
>
> For the LE notch, I bought a 1/8" rat-tail file and use it to form
a
> perfect notch every time.
>
> Here's my wing building method. Keep in mind that I add an extra
R3
> every time, so none of the printed spar holes are in the right
place
> except the first and last rib, so I drill them one at a time.
>
> 1. Photo copy the rib forms and cut out with scissors (Make an
extra
> R3)
> 2. Spray with 3M 77 and attach to balsa sheet.
> 3. Rough cut each rib and sand to exact shape following photcopy
> lines.
> 4. Use file to make LE 1/2 round notch.
> 5. Mark trailing edge with rib spacing and attach to board w/tape.
> 6. Mark and drill spar hole in R2 and R7. Peel paper pattern off.
> 7. Glue R2 in place at TE and spar (I always run spar all the way
to
> the end of the tip plate if you plan to SAL).
> 8. Slide R7 onto spar, do not glue.
> 9. For each internal rib, I lay it in place, mark the spar
location,
> drill spar hole and then install (removing and reinstalling R7
each
> time). I glue the TE and the spar hole only, leaving the LE until
the
> wing is built. Use a square gauge to make sure the ribs are
staight.
> 10. Once the wing half is built, I glue on the tip plate. I use
1/8"
> balsa w/o lightening holes since I grab the tip for SAL. I usually
> have to file a groove for the spar at the tip so that the bottom
> surfaces of R7 and the tip plate line up.
> 11. Install R1 using the dihedral gauge. Remove from board and
sand
> top and bottom of R1 flat to the other ribs w/sanding block.
> 12. Starting at R1, lay the 1/8" dowel LE into the notches and
secure
> with CA.
> 13. Trim dowel at tip as shown and sand to fine bevel. Fill tip
with
> light contest balsa and sand to match airfoil. This makes a good
> thumb grip for SAL. Do both sides for balance and leftie/rightie
> capability.
> 14. Install sheeting at R1-R2.
> 15. Harden edge of tip balsa with thin CA to prevent dings.
> 16. Repeat 1-15 for other wing.
> 17. Glue halves, reincorce w/FG
> 18. Cover.
>
> Different builders will have different methods, so take these
steps
> as a guideline. I've built many of these wings and have had no
> problems at all (my first plane is still flying in it's second
season
> with my kids learning to fly on this plane last year). They all
turn
> out true and flat and any minor twists can be dealt with when
> covering.
>
> This is a great little plane. You'll enjoy it. I always use a
> cruciform tail and get nice straight launches w/o preset or mixing
to
> 50-75 feet. I use a modified plastic pod and call mine a Lil'
Bugger
> (1/2 Little Nipper, 1/2 Bug) translates wierdly from American to
Kiwi
> but it's a fun plane (see LN photo section).
>
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/littlenipper/lst?.dir=/Lil%
> 27+Bugger&.src=gr&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%
3a//briefcase.yahoo.com/
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Chris in Seattle, USA
>
>
> --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "dimple_kwok" <henry.kwok@x> wrote:
> > I think I will try to make the parts myself, since this will be
> good
> > exercise anyway. I would appreciate it if you can give me some
> > pointers, since this is my 1st scratch built (I fly EPP slopers).
> >
> > I actually have made 1 set of wing but I am really unhappy about
it
> > so I am going to remake it. The problems I have encountered are:
> >
> > 1. The notch for the LE dowel - how can I cut this accurately?
> > Inaccuracies have led to the dowel not sitting on the same
> horizontal
> > plane) with the spar (is this normal?) and one of the ribs
needing
> > some lengthening for it to reach the LE. I presume if properly
made
> > the LE, spar and TE will lie on the same horizontal plane? The
> crappy
> > wing set I have is obviously twisted.
> >
> > 2. The root rib dihedral angle. At first glance it appears
simple
> but
> > once the two wing halves are made the two sides don't seem to
meet
> > each other too well. I tried to sand the root rib with a block /
> bar
> > sander but really the results are not too good. I wonder what
are
> the
> > tricks necessary to achieve a perfect wing joint with the right
> > dihedral. What's worst, when I was trying to sand the wing
halves I
> > manage to damage them - hence new set of wings needed.
> >
> > 3. Related to 2 - I guess problem 2 can be solved if I can cut
> > correct bevels top and bottom of the root rib? But how can that
be
> > achieved?
> >
> > 4. Wing center sheeting. Because of W1 being slanted the
sheeting
> > does not want to sit flat esp in the front part.
> >
> > 5. It may sound silly but how do you keep the ribs parallel
during
> > your construction, esp during the LE glueing?
> >
> > 6. What tool do you use to cut that perfect lightening hole in
the
> > wing tip? Also would a laminate of 2 1/16" tip works better than
a
> > single 1/8" tip?
> >
> > I think if I am not too picky most of the above problems will
> > probably be ok as long as they are symmetrical, except the
center
> > wing joint which I just cannot get right!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any suggestions
> >
> > Henry