From: "gldrgidr" <gldrgidr@...>
Date: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Help with rib production?
Date: Saturday, May 31, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: Help with rib production?
Understand that this is just my opinion, but I think that the plastic
pod is the worst design feature of the Little Nipper. It takes a lot
of effort and time to produce the first good pod. You have to carve
a mold and learn to heat the PETG at just the right temperature and
heat the plastic sheet uniformly so that you get a pod that doesn't
have thin areas. All of this could easily become more of a project
than building the entire plane. And when you do get a good pod you
are forced to install the servos to the wing instead of a distance in
front of the wing where their weight can be used to balance the
weight of the tail. The see-thru fuse also doesn't help with making
the plane visible at altitude.
I built a balsa pod for my nipper and it was lighter even with a
layer of .75 oz. fiberglass to make it crash resistant. I could have
built several balsa pods in the time it took to get a good plastic
pod. I also think that installing all the radio gear in the fuse
makes it a lot neater package - one piece wing mounts to one piece
fuse.
The see-thru pod is very inovative looking and this may make it
worth the effort for some, but not for me.
John
--- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "John Gospodarek"
<John.Gospodarek@i...> wrote:
> Chris,
> Thanks for the reply. Very nice explanation! I have seen several on
> the LN Group and yours is very complete. I have the petg and have a
> good idea of how to pull the pod. My problem is how to make the
> mold. Do you make two half molds from the root rib template and
glue
> them together? I am not a good carver and am not sure how to get
the
> angle correct and a good fit, if I don't do it that way. I have
even
> considered making a foam mold first and doing a FG lay-up over it.
> The mold is the stopping point for me.
>
> John
>
>
> --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "Chris Lewis"
<christopherlewis@e...>
> wrote:
> > John - Sorry to hear that you didn't have folks come through for
> pod
> > material. Next time send me a PM and I'm more than happy to help
> if I
> > happen to have surplus material on hand. My first couple of
pieces
> > came through the mail, but I burned through them quickly while
> > learning. It's just as well that you have a quantity since pod
> > pulling is as much art as science.
> >
> > The pod is one piece of .060 PETG heated over a stove burner and
> > pulled over a form. I use a piece about 6.5" x 6.5 to 8" and use
a
> > couple of spruce sticks 1/4"x1/2"x7" along with a couple
> of "binder
> > clips" on each side to hold the plastic while heating. The key is
> to
> > heat slowly until the PETG is droopy, but not until large bubbles
> > start to form. Heat thouroughly from edge to edge by moving
across
> > the burner. I have a pod mold very similar to the one shown in
> Bruce
> > Kimball's folder on the Little Nipper group. It has a carved,
> sanded
> > and faired poplar fuse shaped to my liking and about 3" of wing
> shape
> > attached to each side at the correct dihedral angle and LE shape.
> It
> > has a 1/4" steel rod drilled into the TE side so that I can mount
> the
> > form in a vise that is clamped right next to the stove. Once the
> > plastic is floppy - Use gloves! you'll immediately want to
> > pull it over the pod form and use your gloved hands to make sure
> it
> > gets into the corners where the fuse and wing stubs meet. It
takes
> > work and practice. Pull to fast and the PETG gets too thin. Too
> slow
> > and it cools and doesn't cover the pod mold. Be patient!
Practice,
> > Practice, Practice...
> >
> > Re-read my instructions and step 9 indicates the measure, mark
and
> > drill method for the intermediate rib spar holes. This extra
> wingspan
> > is crucial to gaining more float time. I don't use pins. I just
> glue
> > as I go with thin CA using a capillary tube to restrict glue
> > application. Goes fast, works great.
> >
> > Keep in mind that going to the plastic pod means a total redesign
> of
> > the airplane. The servos must be recessed in the wing, a boom
> mount
> > must be fabricated, bolt anchors for the pod/boom mount must be
> added
> > to the wing, servo linkages changed, pod form built and a pod
> pulled.
> > Glassing the balsa pod, going to a cruciform tail (supergee
> style),
> > WPU for tail finishes and extending the wing are simpler mod's if
> you
> > are just looking to move up from the standard bug. It you like to
> > tinker, go nuts. The Bug is an amazing platform to start from or
> fine
> > just as it is.
> >
> > After talking with Dick Barker of DLG fame, I might try making
> this
> > pod in two pieces using Vac-bag method and FG. But I've got a
full
> > sized Uplink to scratch build first.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
> >
> > Chris in Seattle