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Alan, There's a couple of things that should be changed. The control horns need to be at a steeper angle so that the hole is above a point just ahead of the front bottom edge.This places the hole over the hinge line so you get equal control movement in both directions. Does anyone else think the rudder needs to be a larger percentage of the vertical tail surface? I believe the hinge line needs to be moved forward at least 1/4 inch. For those of us who will be cutting our own ribs, would it be possible for you to have a separate drawing with just the ribs and subribs fitting on one or two pages (8.5x11) for easy printing. I'm most interested in the AG37 set but maybe one set for the fat airfoil and another for the AG37 with subribs?If you are pressed for time you can send me the dwg file and I'll do this. As Chris said, you've done a great job with the plan. We all owe you a debt of gratitude. John > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Squid" <littlefr2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, and I will do some test cuts this fiday. On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > Thanks again! > > Chris in Seattle > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Squid" <littlefr2003@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > Kind Regards > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Agreed. My Bug/Little Nipper/Seeker/Swyft builds have taught me that good wood selection and WBPU beat covering every time for weight. A little FG judiciously placed adds plenty of strength without weight. Check out how short the nose is on my Lil Bugger. Servos are in the wing and I have solid tail surfaces. I'd prefer no holes as well. Chris in Seattle --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, John Gallagher <gldrgidr@...> wrote: > > We need to have a discussion on the holes in the tail members of the new design.  Some people will find that the holes will cause a weakening of the structure and cause failure during launch.  Some of us would like to fiberglass the tail parts to reinforce them for launch and this requires that they be solid.  > Alan Wright went through the same thing in his development of the Gambler +.  Originally the kit contained the tail parts with lightening holes but eventually he went to solid tail feathers to allow them to be either holed by the customer or fiberglassed.  If you notice the photos of completed Bug's on our Bughlg group website, most have solid tail feathers. > If you are going to make a short kit, you probably should leave out the holes to allow the builder to choose if he wants the weakening holes (or you could call them lightening holes) in the tail. >   > John > > > ________________________________ > From: janhein Ramakers <ramakers@...> > To: BugHLG@yahoogroups.com > Cc: raincityflyer <lewis08@...> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:39 AM > Subject: Re: [BugHLG] Re: Lightninbug SAL or DLG - Version 01a > > >   > The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, > > And I will do some test cuts this fiday. > > so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the > original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have > the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. > > price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. > > On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Chris in Seattle > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Squid" <littlefr2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

We need to have a discussion on the holes in the tail members of the new design.  Some people will find that the holes will cause a weakening of the structure and cause failure during launch.  Some of us would like to fiberglass the tail parts to reinforce them for launch and this requires that they be solid.  Alan Wright went through the same thing in his development of the Gambler +.  Originally the kit contained the tail parts with lightening holes but eventually he went to solid tail feathers to allow them to be either holed by the customer or fiberglassed.  If you notice the photos of completed Bug's on our Bughlg group website, most have solid tail feathers. If you are going to make a short kit, you probably should leave out the holes to allow the builder to choose if he wants the weakening holes (or you could call them lightening holes) in the tail.   John ________________________________ From: janhein Ramakers <ramakers@...> To: BugHLG@yahoogroups.com Cc: raincityflyer <lewis08@...> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [BugHLG] Re: Lightninbug SAL or DLG - Version 01a   The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, And I will do some test cuts this fiday. so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > Thanks again! > > Chris in Seattle > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Squid" <littlefr2003@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > Kind Regards > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Nice to hear, do you have a total cost estimate? --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, janhein Ramakers <ramakers@...> wrote: > > No problem. > > greetings Jan-Hein > > On 3/13/2012 1:49 PM, dodgeditchrc wrote: > > > > Would there be an option to ship to the UK? > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > janhein Ramakers <ramakers@> wrote: > > > > > > The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, > > > > > > And I will do some test cuts this fiday. > > > > > > so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the > > > original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have > > > the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. > > > > > > price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > > > > > > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > > > > > > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > > > > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > > > > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > > > > > > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > > > > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > > > > > > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > > > Chris in Seattle > > > > > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com> > > <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > > "Squid" <littlefr2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > > > > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > > > > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > > > > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

No problem. greetings Jan-Hein On 3/13/2012 1:49 PM, dodgeditchrc wrote: > > Would there be an option to ship to the UK? > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > janhein Ramakers <ramakers@...> wrote: > > > > The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, > > > > And I will do some test cuts this fiday. > > > > so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the > > original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have > > the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. > > > > price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > > > > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > > > > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > > > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > > > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > > > > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > > > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > > > > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > > > > > Thanks again! > > > > > > Chris in Seattle > > > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > > "Squid" <littlefr2003@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > > > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > > > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Would there be an option to ship to the UK? --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, janhein Ramakers <ramakers@...> wrote: > > The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, > > And I will do some test cuts this fiday. > > so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the > original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have > the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. > > price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. > > > > > > > On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > > > Thanks again! > > > > Chris in Seattle > > > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > > "Squid" <littlefr2003@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > > > Kind Regards > > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >

The plans are ready for the lazer cutter now, And I will do some test cuts this fiday. so for any one who is interested there will come a short kit of the original bug and one of the lightning bug. the lightning bug will have the traditional tail in the kit plus the dlg tail. price for both kits will be 10 euro's plus shipping. On 3/12/2012 4:38 PM, raincityflyer wrote: > > This is really nice. Great job Alan! > > I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck > their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd > avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. > > FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different > design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. > > Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! > > Thanks again! > > Chris in Seattle > > --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com <mailto:BugHLG%40yahoogroups.com>, > "Squid" <littlefr2003@...> wrote: > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and > version 01a it has been corrected. > > > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what > combinations you are going to go with. > > > > Kind Regards > > Alan From New Zealand > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Chris, Maybe that strengthener can go on the inside of the fuse for a finger pinch grip for launching there? Just with out the dowel. Yes its too bad you are traveling! I would be keen to see some pictures of your elevator but i guess i too will have to wait! Safe travel and take some photos of your build? Kind Regards Alan --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "raincityflyer" <lewis08@...> wrote: This is really nice. Great job Alan! I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! Thanks again! Chris in Seattle

This is really nice. Great job Alan! I'm in for the SAL version. I've seen some Slermal guys that chuck their small gliders by the fuse rather than the wing tip, but I'd avoid the old-school dowel hanging out there in the air. FWIW - I use a full flying elevator that will be of a different design, but that's just a preference that I can adapt on my own. Too bad I'm traveling this week, or I'd jump right on this! Thanks again! Chris in Seattle --- In BugHLG@yahoogroups.com, "Squid" <littlefr2003@...> wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and version 01a it has been corrected. > > All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what combinations you are going to go with. > > Kind Regards > Alan From New Zealand >

Hi Guys, Please note that version 01 the rudder position is incorrect and version 01a it has been corrected. All that download it please take part in the poll to let us no what combinations you are going to go with. Kind Regards Alan From New Zealand